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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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I'm your host Nick West my guest today

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is Jeremy wrists who goes by the name

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alien scientist on Twitter and YouTube

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and on his website alien scientist comm

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and he also has a couple of other new

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websites in process and we're going to

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talk about our kind of areas of mutual

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interest I looked at his websites and

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it's got a big section on conspiracy and

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it's got a section on debunking called

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the debunk bin and a bunch of other

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stuff about technology and aliens all

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stuff that I'm very interested in so I'm

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sure we'll have lots to talk about

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so Jeremy welcome to tales from the road

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hole hey thanks for having me on Nick

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so yeah it's fascinated by your website

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and of course we've kind of like chatted

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very briefly on on Twitter about these

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types of things you describe yourself as

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well your name is alien scientist and

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that can it I guess covers some of your

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areas of interest can you describe kind

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of how that name came about and what it

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really means

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oh I think I was starting you know

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getting into a lot of this stuff back in

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2002 maybe 2003 and started researching

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a lot of stuff I would always I was

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actually more interested in physics I

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started I was a freshman in college when

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9/11 happened and that kind of opened me

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up to thinking about things a little bit

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differently after but not not right away

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but years later and I started looking at

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I didn't really find disclosure project

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till probably like 2004 2005 even though

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that had come out in 2001 and I dug a

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lot I remember digging a lot through

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disclosure project you know way back in

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the day and a lot of those witnesses

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when that all first came out and and I

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had wanted to put together a website and

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a name to sort of you know embodied kind

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of this this this idea and I come up

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with this alien scientist name and

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that's that sort of been the channel I

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created and I eventually got a website

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and I'm redoing the website now with it

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soon you know upgrade it and stuff

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because I haven't done any updates in

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quite a while and you know as you

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a lot more research on these things over

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the years you've used sometimes change

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on on certain things so so I'm I want to

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talk about that a little bit and want to

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talk about some of the some of the

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things that we maybe maybe agree on some

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of the things that we maybe disagree on

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because there's a lot of overlap and we

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study a lot of a lot of things that's

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similar interest with that you know

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different a different eye of skepticism

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and interests as well because so I guess

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when we start with something that we we

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agree on air in your your debunk bin you

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have a section on chemtrails and you

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could have a variety of like what I

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could have a long a long page kind of

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discussing like how you debunked

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chemtrails what kind of led you to

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actually like right about that well I

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seen a lot of these I feel like it's

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it's weird because I have my own theory

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about a lot of these people on and and

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how they're influenced on social media

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with book the box and that sort of thing

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but I kept seeing a lot of this stuff

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reappear on my feet about chemtrails and

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and and all these other conspiracies

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remember back when Sandy Hook was a

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thing that was a real popular one that

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was going around a lot and as well as

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the Boston bombing the Marathon bombing

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which happened right here in Boston and

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of course I'm from boss and I lived

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there for a couple years so I did my own

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investigation right here locally like

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right after that happened and wanted to

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try to you know see if I could find any

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kind of follow-up evidence for any of

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the conspiracy theories and I found that

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a lot of it was just made-up stuff and

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it was learned a lot of it was fake from

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from my own investigation and I I put

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together whole page on that as well with

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some videos that I took I actually went

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to the scenes and filmed the blood on

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the ground where the pipe bombs went off

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in the street you know documented these

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things right away so people couldn't say

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that they were made up later that you

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know they didn't happen or they were

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different and you know so I went to

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actually to Watertown to Dexter and

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Laurel Street where the shootout

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happened and filmed you know on scene to

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try to do some of my own investigation

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and yeah so I've done a lot of things

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there's also a page on Bob Lazar there

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and I've also seen I mean

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another website for that which I need to

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update to with all the new research and

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more stuff that's been coming out in the

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past few months on Bob Lazar because I

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know you've talked about Bob Lazar yeah

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and he's the the guy who claims to have

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worked at area 51 and had first-hand

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experience of alien spaceships and

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handled element 115 and a whole bunch of

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things that seem rather suspicious yes

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the senior staff physicist who doesn't

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have a curriculum vitae I've never

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written any or any published papers that

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you can find anywhere and kind of kind

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of kind of curious fellow and yeah

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there's a lot of interesting research

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reads on him and and and on element 115

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where the whole thing came from I sent

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you a lot of stuff on that when it was

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first getting yes it's gotten quite a

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bit of attention and I'm really

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surprised that Joe Rogan had him on and

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didn't show him the same kind of

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questioning skepticism that he shows a

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lot of his other guests so yeah I was

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kind of surprised at Joe's kind of he's

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almost like he's swung back into the the

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whole UFO thing like full-bore and we

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used to be a bit more skeptical because

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he used to be like a big believer in the

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moon hoax that we didn't land on the

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moon and then he kind of flipped flopped

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back the other way and he's had me on a

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couple of times and I'm very skeptical

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and then now he seems to be a believer

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of Bob Lazar

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which seems a bit bizarre to me right

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back on the kind of and then he had Sean

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was his next guest after Bob Lazar and

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he didn't ask him a word about element14

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about Bob Lazar which I was also

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surprised about well maybe I'll get to

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get back on and clear it up Cleveland

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does a bit more although I'll probably

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think it probably won't help that much I

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think Joe is just really interested in

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in aliens and well yeah obviously you're

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very interested in in

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in aliens I mean your name alien

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scientist it's about I guess alien

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technology would you describe it as that

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yeah I've always been interested in you

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know gravity and anti-gravity and also

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classified spacecraft you know like

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me into physics and of course he was

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recruited out of MIT at like 18 to go

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work on a very top-secret project called

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the Manhattan Project which atomic bomb

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involved you know hundreds of thousands

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of people and the government was able to

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keep it secret for years and and it sort

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of got me you know interest in and the

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belief that you know maybe it's possible

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that you know the government has these

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it has recovered stuff you know this

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whole thing of Roswell the whole point

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of Roswell that's ever always intrigued

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something else recovered and there was a

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material switch in that project mogul

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was of course a cover story that's what

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that's what all the conspiracy theorists

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sort of claim to so my whole focus has

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always been the materials that these

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people reported and you know some of the

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disc skeptics in the bunker say well

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they didn't report those right away it

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was until fifteen years later that

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people started coming out and talking

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a cover-up too because if people were

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threatened not to talk so I try to give

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both sides like a benefit of the doubt

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but really look for you know concrete

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evidence and and one of them and one of

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the interesting things that I watched

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the case for anti-gravity and this was

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back in like 2000 it had to be in 2001

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or 2002 that that came out maybe even in

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the late nineties but at the brief at

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the end of it he briefly mentions Edgar

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fouché and he was an area 51 employee

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contact with and tried to do a lot of

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follow-up research with and uh and he

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was actually one of the first person

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people that really like showed me that

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Bob Lazar was was wasn't the real deal

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and that he never worked out there and

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that like we went did this whole

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investigation we got all the satellite

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you know to the Russian satellite photos

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through like chronologically and traced

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it out has there ever been a space built

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at Papoose Lake was there ever something

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there and we've pretty clearly shown

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that there has never been anything out

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of Papoose Lake

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that this whole s4 facility was based on

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called site four and that it's really

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it's really kind of crazy that all Bob

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Lazar gets all the attention when it

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comes to area 51 but the guys like the

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worked out there are the real veterans

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that like people don't even pay

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attention to those guys that really talk

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about them and their stories and they

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have a lot more interesting things to

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say I believe them than bought about

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about what goes on out there see they

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can't talk about so do you think that so

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you your theory here is that an alien

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spaceship crashed at area 51 and the

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government recovered it and they've been

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using the technology that they've

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extracted from a spaceship that's not my

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theory

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found a lot of evidence against that

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theory in the scientific record of just

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just just this alone right I always

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throw this in their face and I say you

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know here this would have this would

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have happened and we would have seen

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this happen in the 1950s for example

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this is something I'd point to I say we

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this would have happened in the 1950s

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have we found something at Roswell in

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late 1947 that caused all this this

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developed and this would have like come

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out so your theory is that because

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technology didn't advance fast enough

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then nothing was discovered back then oh

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good case against it I don't say that

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good case against this sort of thing

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that having if this really did happen

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we'd see more evidence of it in the in

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the record but the thing is I feel like

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the time and time again I'm tracing

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things back to the real theory and real

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people humans that worked on this stuff

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and I think it's almost like a dis

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disservice to the scientists to say that

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we got this from aliens or that it would

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you know was given to guys like Vannevar

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Bush and MIT has supposedly had an mj-12

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commission carried so like with aliens

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then so you don't think that we've

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developed alien technology from from

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Roswell do you think we've developed

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alien technology from aliens at all at

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some point

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I don't see the evidence for it because

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the III trace things back to the you

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know the origins of kind of area 51 and

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how it started with a guy named you know

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Edward Mills Purcell and project rainbow

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and he went of course the Nobel Prize

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for nuclear magnetic resonance and

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understood a lot about how

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electromagnetic waves interact with

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matter and and a lot of the research

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that from from what I've seen a lot of

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the research that goes on out there is

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related to you know electronic

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countermeasures and electronic counter

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countermeasures and basically how to how

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to fool radar and how to be invisible

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from radar and and how to evade radar

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systems and and build stealth stealth

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has been like number one on a lot of

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their lists for years and it has I don't

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believe that they've I don't believe

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that they've ever had a site similar to

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what Bob Lazar describes where they have

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a hangar full of these you know crashed

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alien spacecraft that with all these

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different models and types from

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different star systems and and what not

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I think it's a fantastic story and one

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that I you know it was a great part of

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my childhood but you know growing up was

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seeing this unsolved mysteries back in

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the 90s but it's not a part of I don't

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see it as a reality because it the

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technologies the way the technology is

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developed it would I saw an interview

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with you I think it was at a lien con oh

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yeah you were there I thought you said

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there that you thought that there was

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some technology that came from from

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aliens there's not not true well that's

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the idea is that is that that's what's

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coming out now that's what Elizondo is

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alleging and that's what that's what I'm

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these people from the to the Stars

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Academy are alleging that they have

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material that's been recovered from

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aliens and stuff II you disagree on art

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I don't know I don't know whether what I

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what to believe I it's

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I'm certainly a skeptic and I and I

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don't think that a lot of the things

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that they've said so far have been in in

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you know they they don't talk enough

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about the science and enough they have

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these scientists on their team that

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should know a lot about this these types

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of things and they've written and

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published papers on a lot of really

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interesting topics that they used to

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talk about what they don't talk about

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anymore

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and I think that that's that's very

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interesting you know there's a lot of a

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lot of patents and a lot of stuff coming

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out right now suggesting you know we

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have some type of technology or we

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cracked some type of technology that's

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that's on a higher level and I've talked

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to a lot of people that believe that you

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know there's a lot of people in the

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community that that even have the theory

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that we cracked it you know 50 50 years

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ago

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back in the 1950s and stuff so I've sort

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of what I've sort of done and the whole

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thing about what we were doing at a time

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alien con it's the launch of this

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Falcons space program with my friend

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mark there and what we want to do is

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basically create a physics lab to do

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experiments to see we'll go back in time

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and we've already done a lot of the by

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felt brown stuff which is like the

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earliest that was the 1920s to nineteen

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you know 50s and 60s again we were

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assuming is that they figured it out and

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they they had this we can we can

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research and read go over and relook the

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history of all these works and put

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together a whole list of them which

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we've compiled now a long list of all

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the different studies that have been

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done into antigravity

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and we're hoping to basically like redo

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them and replicate a lot of them the

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ones that are within our budget or

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within the and we found a lot of other

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people and scientists and other labs

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that have already done a lot of these

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experiments themselves and we're asking

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we're asking for their like support and

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help and basically trying to rediscover

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this technology if it exists and in the

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process of doing this we haven't found

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anything right so you're saying you're

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looking at all these papers where people

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have claimed that they've discovered

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some kind of anti gravitational effects

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I'm looking at replicated these are real

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I u.s. Boeing you know Lockheed Martin

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these are real aerospace studies that

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were you know some some cases

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million-dollar half a million dollar

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studies and there's even ongoing studies

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that our particular interest that that

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are going on with DARPA

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currently like the quantized inertia

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stuff DARPA has a couple of million into

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into that right now I understand like

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why you would be doing it for my works

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we want to replicate it ourselves

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because because we don't know whether

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you can trust you know we want to you

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know you can't trust anything on the

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internet nowadays it's kind of like the

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experimental method is the best way to

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prove to yourself or prove to everyone

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else that you know this does work or

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doesn't doesn't in fact work because

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there's all kinds of people claiming

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that you know this is how you do it this

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is how it works and then you know if we

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want to be like that beacon of you know

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like well we're gonna actually try it

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and if it does work we'll report it but

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if it doesn't we'll also report it to

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you know whether have you done any

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experiments yet that have produced

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results we haven't got any positive

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results yet in any of our experiments

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but we're hoping to have some coming up

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with that they're going into a lot of

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the newer theories and stuff basically

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so what do you think is the most

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promising Avenue of technology here that

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you you think you're gonna find some

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results in I think that I think the

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basically it's it's you're producing

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polariton is using a system a system of

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waves and a medium so basically you pump

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this medium full of waves and you get

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the waves going at a high enough

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oscillation and it creates these

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particle-antiparticle pairs called

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Galera tones and the whole idea is that

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that you creating a surface around your

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craft - and in you polarity you create

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these player tones around the entire

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surface to be a craft it polarizes the

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vacuum energy density and basically

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breaks all those quantum information

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loops through quantum which breaks

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quantum entanglement at the boundary

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layer and that breaking of quantum

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entanglement allows this sort of quantum

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slipstream effect to take place if it

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exists and and the math works and the

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internet and the math looks like it

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checks out and this is actually

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something you could actually demonstrate

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in your life though not without material

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science we have currently we need some

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more advanced techniques to build these

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types of materials and and also a little

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bit more advanced radio in computer

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systems to sort of activate the beast

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and run this I'm currently looking into

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that and working on it but it's been

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difficult so ok switching gears a little

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bit like yes like UFOs and UFO

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encounters like stuff like the the

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recent videos that have been out of the

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Nimitz and the go fast and the gimbal

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videos what do you think about what do

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you think about those what you think is

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going on well I think it's I've been

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saying from the start that I think it's

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my my my take on it was that it's

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electronic counter countermeasures what

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are basically in radar insertion where

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they can fake false radar insertion and

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they can also create false visuals and

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there's a couple different ways they

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could do that drone swarm is one theory

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and I know I've discussed these with

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guys like Gary Voorhees who you had on

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your show recently loose whereas no it

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couldn't have been that I saw it on the

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big eyes and and I saw it through this

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and that it could also been these these

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balloons that they released through you

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know project caladium and I had

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mentioned some some of these types of

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things before and then someone came out

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with this article in the drive comm that

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talked about project caladium and

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project nemesis which were two of these

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these projects that were they released

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these balloons from subs or the and

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there's also missiles that launched from

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subs which looked very similar to that

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and to that tic tac shaped object that

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goes flying across the water at a high

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speed

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so this there's any number of like very

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human explanations for these things and

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I'd lean towards human explanations

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because this that's a you look at where

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it occurred it's it's a right in the bay

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were about a about 60 miles from where

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then the US Navy has a u.s. Navy SEAL

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training station at San Clemente Island

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where they do tons of tests for the US

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Navy

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there's a couple things that were weird

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about the encounter is that the Air

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Force was had something to do with it

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and they were there on the ship to

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confiscate the tapes within 15 minutes

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which means they were probably already

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on board unless they have some kind of

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crazy technology that teleported them on

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board so there's lots of lots of things

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that lead me towards thinking that the

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Air Force was running some type of drill

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with some technology that they have

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testing out on the Navy on this flight

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carrier group Nina for office for

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someone whose name is alien scientist he

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didn't really seem to be that much in

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favor of aliens is a good hypothesis for

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anything what if the aliens come in in

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your in your world well you look at meta

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materials and also what they've done

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with carbon nano to nanotubes and heat

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coatings for grading Mirage effect they

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can basically there's any number of ways

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to make things invisible and if you

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figured out warp drive technology then

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you surely figured out electromagnetics

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and SPECT and frequencies and spectrums

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and you can you can make yourself

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invisible so I've always liked the Star

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Trek kind of a pro area of Star Wars in

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the background doesn't really mesh with

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the Star Trek but I have always liked

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the Star Trek universe where the prime

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directive you know all you know post

545
00:20:46,899 --> 00:20:44,299
warp civilizations don't really talk to

546
00:20:49,930 --> 00:20:46,909
you know pre-warp civilizations so you

547
00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:49,940
think that if aliens you know exists and

548
00:20:53,609 --> 00:20:51,950
they visiting as we wouldn't see them

549
00:20:55,659 --> 00:20:53,619
because they would be hiding themselves

550
00:20:58,180 --> 00:20:55,669
everything I didn't have the technology

551
00:20:59,680 --> 00:20:58,190
and you know they if you saw them they'd

552
00:21:01,210 --> 00:20:59,690
be showing themselves to you and it's

553
00:21:05,049 --> 00:21:01,220
much more much more likely that the

554
00:21:07,090 --> 00:21:05,059
things he sees UFOs in fact I've made it

555
00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:07,100
like I've talked to some of the best

556
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:09,350
debunkers out there to like you know on

557
00:21:12,909 --> 00:21:11,330
these UFO cases that have debunked

558
00:21:15,730 --> 00:21:12,919
countless of these things that like the

559
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,740
these lights that were around area 51

560
00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:17,360
that were actually these things that are

561
00:21:22,779 --> 00:21:21,350
on the bighorn sheep there there we

562
00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:22,789
found that they put these lights on the

563
00:21:25,779 --> 00:21:24,230
bighorn sheep out there so that they

564
00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:25,789
know that they're where they are and

565
00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:30,200
they can see each other and and there's

566
00:21:33,009 --> 00:21:31,580
all these there was a circular

567
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:33,019
containers out there and they're

568
00:21:36,970 --> 00:21:35,330
actually water troughs to give provide

569
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,980
water for these herds of bighorn sheep

570
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:39,679
Oh out near area 51 and in those canyons

571
00:21:43,419 --> 00:21:41,929
out there and stuff and these people saw

572
00:21:45,310 --> 00:21:43,429
these circular things from space and

573
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,320
we're saying they were saucers out there

574
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:47,600
you know so it's like there's perfectly

575
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:49,129
benign explanations for some of the

576
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,570
stuff but you just have to do the

577
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:51,919
research and then when you find it you

578
00:21:56,259 --> 00:21:53,990
can't be like I really wanted to believe

579
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:56,269
it was the saucer though yeah yeah yeah

580
00:22:02,200 --> 00:21:58,850
so you got like a bunch of things on

581
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:02,210
your debunked bin and I see you got one

582
00:22:06,550 --> 00:22:04,430
one one page

583
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:06,560
you got you got on various alien things

584
00:22:13,660 --> 00:22:07,850
you've got a whole page in ancient

585
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:13,670
aliens and I stopped at a point yeah

586
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:15,170
ancient aliens that's been going up like

587
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,330
30 seasons or something hasn't it it's a

588
00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:20,240
very very very popular I think it's yeah

589
00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:22,700
shows like that I could have been in a

590
00:22:27,790 --> 00:22:25,700
large sense responsible for a lot of the

591
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,800
UFO sightings just because people like

592
00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:30,080
see see the ancient aliens show and they

593
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:32,300
get to be UFO fans and then they go out

594
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:34,250
and look at the sky and they see a plane

595
00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:38,570
in the distance and call it a UFO so

596
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:41,150
like the one thing that caught my eye

597
00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:43,850
here was you've got dr. Judy wood and

598
00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:46,700
you've got mini nukes and there's about

599
00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:49,640
two things that an 9/11 related like

600
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,040
Judy woods claims that the the towers

601
00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:53,600
were destroyed with energy beams from

602
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:56,270
space or from somewhere and the mini

603
00:23:03,670 --> 00:23:00,400
nukes theory is that there were nuclear

604
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:03,680
bombs placed under each of the three

605
00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:05,810
buildings or three different bombs and

606
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:07,790
that's one destroyed the buildings which

607
00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:10,010
is yeah pretty ridiculous but there

608
00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:11,030
seems to be a bunch of people who

609
00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:13,460
believe in it and it's kind of

610
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:16,280
interesting for me like people always in

611
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:18,440
this kind of a conspiracy spectrum with

612
00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:20,210
fairly reasonable conspiracies at one

613
00:23:23,890 --> 00:23:21,830
end and completely batshit crazy

614
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:23,900
conspiracies at the other end and people

615
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:26,090
draw the line somewhere along that

616
00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:30,290
spectrum you notice that you you know

617
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:32,360
see you two debunking things like the

618
00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:35,510
mini nukes and the Judy would sir but

619
00:23:41,650 --> 00:23:37,190
you've also got like a page on your

620
00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:41,660
conspiracy section about various 9/11

621
00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:44,990
related conspiracies and including like

622
00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:46,820
the the pullets

623
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:50,980
thing for demolishing building seven so

624
00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:54,490
where do you draw the line personally on

625
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:57,350
9/11 conspiracies what's what would you

626
00:24:01,090 --> 00:23:58,850
say is the kind of the more extreme

627
00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:01,100
thing along there that you think

628
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:02,600
actually happened do you think that they

629
00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:06,050
were destroyed with explosives I think

630
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:07,880
that I think that there was very

631
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:10,970
definitely some type of explosive sir or

632
00:24:17,529 --> 00:24:13,850
or incendiaries in the buildings that a

633
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:17,539
minimal amount that was covered up

634
00:24:21,159 --> 00:24:19,369
I thought that the first day when I

635
00:24:23,109 --> 00:24:21,169
watched it happen in a roomful of

636
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:23,119
physics students and all my physics

637
00:24:26,529 --> 00:24:24,710
professors we were all like oh these

638
00:24:28,779 --> 00:24:26,539
buildings were blown up for sure that's

639
00:24:31,019 --> 00:24:28,789
this momentum had to be conserved in the

640
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:31,029
way that they came down so like straight

641
00:24:36,729 --> 00:24:34,129
really kind of was like a telltale thing

642
00:24:40,450 --> 00:24:36,739
for me and I and it sort of led a lot of

643
00:24:42,099 --> 00:24:40,460
those investigations into this I I was

644
00:24:46,899 --> 00:24:42,109
doing a lot of investigations early on

645
00:24:49,210 --> 00:24:46,909
with my friend of a friend a friend of

646
00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:49,220
the families that I know this guy named

647
00:24:56,409 --> 00:24:52,539
Jonathan Cole who's an engineer yeah and

648
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:56,419
we had put together this pay a channel

649
00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:58,970
called physics and reason I helped him

650
00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:01,190
with a lot of the theories for for these

651
00:25:04,509 --> 00:25:02,779
experiments to do some of these

652
00:25:06,419 --> 00:25:04,519
experiments to really test these things

653
00:25:08,289 --> 00:25:06,429
because these were the these were the

654
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:08,299
one of the pieces of evidence that

655
00:25:12,509 --> 00:25:10,609
particularly caught my eye was you know

656
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,519
the forensic evidence from 9/11

657
00:25:16,690 --> 00:25:14,720
particularly Appendix C of the FEMA

658
00:25:18,969 --> 00:25:16,700
report with that steel from our World

659
00:25:21,369 --> 00:25:18,979
Trade Center 7 that showed the eutectic

660
00:25:24,009 --> 00:25:21,379
formation and the sulfa sulfonation of

661
00:25:26,889 --> 00:25:24,019
the steel and we were particularly

662
00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:26,899
curious about the official explanation

663
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,700
for the source of that sulfur in the

664
00:25:33,339 --> 00:25:30,080
sulfonation that it could come from

665
00:25:36,219 --> 00:25:33,349
drywall gypsum and so we put together a

666
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:36,229
theory to test that hypothesis called

667
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:38,330
the you know the mysterious eutectic

668
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:40,129
that's the video on there on that

669
00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:43,849
channel and basically we did a bunch of

670
00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:45,950
experiments to try to get steel to sulfa

671
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:48,139
date this way in a normal office fire

672
00:25:53,529 --> 00:25:50,840
and in a normal fire condition with jet

673
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:53,539
fuel and other things and we could not

674
00:25:58,450 --> 00:25:55,940
reproduce the the results that were

675
00:25:59,919 --> 00:25:58,460
observed in that prepend exceed the

676
00:26:02,049 --> 00:25:59,929
femur of work that melting in that

677
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:02,059
sulphonation of the steel and I always

678
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:04,970
thought that that was a it was a lot

679
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:06,460
there was a lot of interesting

680
00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:08,570
characteristics that were reported on

681
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:10,220
from the rubble and the crime scenes

682
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:13,369
from 9/11 that were consistent with the

683
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:17,090
use of high-temperature accelerant such

684
00:26:23,109 --> 00:26:20,119
as thermite and I was always curious as

685
00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:23,119
to why n is he didn't avoided doing any

686
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:26,029
sort of chemical testing or evaluation

687
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:31,070
in their analysis and in their report

688
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:32,570
I've been interested in this whole mile

689
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:34,820
anything and well this whole thermite

690
00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:36,200
stuff was starting to gain a lot of

691
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:40,580
traction back in like 2005 2006 is when

692
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,490
a lot of this this this particular group

693
00:26:48,009 --> 00:26:45,919
of people including Morgan Reynolds and

694
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:48,019
James Fetzer came out and they got on

695
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:50,210
Fox News and a bunch of other channels

696
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:52,970
to kind of promote these 9/11 conspiracy

697
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:56,000
theories but they'd always mix in this

698
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,610
hologram stuff or these no plain

699
00:27:04,060 --> 00:27:01,039
theories or all these more exotic and

700
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:04,070
ridiculous theories and I realized it

701
00:27:09,399 --> 00:27:06,740
was almost like a public brainwashing

702
00:27:11,049 --> 00:27:09,409
kind of effect that it had is is that

703
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:11,059
it's like a straw man effect it's like

704
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:13,100
if we put on a bunch of fake conspiracy

705
00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:14,809
theories and then we debunk the crap out

706
00:27:16,539 --> 00:27:15,230
of them

707
00:27:18,009 --> 00:27:16,549
then everyone will think this has been

708
00:27:19,419 --> 00:27:18,019
debunked and no one will look into the

709
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:19,429
real stuff when they see that when they

710
00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:20,990
see any real stuff come along or any

711
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:22,100
kind of real a but it's a real

712
00:27:26,919 --> 00:27:24,169
information come along which I found is

713
00:27:28,289 --> 00:27:26,929
like just discrediting by association

714
00:27:32,499 --> 00:27:28,299
you think is like a deliberate

715
00:27:34,629 --> 00:27:32,509
propaganda plot to discredit genuine

716
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:34,639
9/11 investigations by putting this I

717
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:39,769
feel this group is is very can be traced

718
00:27:43,869 --> 00:27:41,419
back that the roots of this group and I

719
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:43,879
think they're connected to a COINTELPRO

720
00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:46,490
operation Versailles a psychological

721
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:49,070
operation as I said for if called these

722
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:51,830
people you know I've said they're all

723
00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:53,350
connected they all wrote they were

724
00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:55,580
Morgan Reynolds wrote the first papers

725
00:27:59,259 --> 00:27:56,840
on the directed-energy weapons

726
00:28:02,740 --> 00:27:59,269
hypothesis with Judy wood on that space

727
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:02,750
laser stuff and and it was right after

728
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:04,460
they came out and wrote up a bunch of

729
00:28:08,049 --> 00:28:05,990
other stuff that they write they write

730
00:28:09,999 --> 00:28:08,059
some stuff that seems like it's good but

731
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:10,009
then they then they they mix it in with

732
00:28:13,869 --> 00:28:12,169
all this you know Judy wood did this

733
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:13,879
floor-by-floor analysis and built this

734
00:28:16,659 --> 00:28:15,529
whole physics model of the collapse of

735
00:28:19,049 --> 00:28:16,669
the World Trade Center floor by floor

736
00:28:21,789 --> 00:28:19,059
and show it and built this really nice

737
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,799
model of you know the mat and the

738
00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:23,840
calculations for how it would work but

739
00:28:27,129 --> 00:28:25,549
then she came out right after that with

740
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:27,139
this space laser stuff and was saying

741
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:29,240
you know that the you know the toast the

742
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:32,690
cars were toasted and and all this all

743
00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:35,570
this evidence for you know nanoparticles

744
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,559
of aluminum oxide and um and iron

745
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:41,840
I mean iron oxide aluminum we really

746
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:42,970
weren't

747
00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:46,260
thermite but they were created through

748
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:48,580
vaporization of building materials

749
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:50,740
through the space laser densification I

750
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:52,360
think she called it a little the iron

751
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,130
the steel turned to dust which doesn't

752
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:57,299
really make any sense I have a molecular

753
00:29:02,880 --> 00:28:59,830
sense the energy released there would be

754
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:02,890
kind of large I think it would it would

755
00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:07,120
be a couple I think it was 9.6

756
00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:09,460
terajoules or something I have a camera

757
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:12,070
on my website I did spend years since I

758
00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:14,530
did all that stuff but one of the best

759
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:16,929
articles that came out with the whistles

760
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:19,450
coming Ryan he he put this article on

761
00:29:24,899 --> 00:29:21,010
who could have rigged the World Trade

762
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:24,909
Center with explosives Kevin Ryan of dig

763
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,760
within his blog I think he's done some

764
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,919
really interesting he raises some more

765
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:32,080
legitimate questions than most all than

766
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:34,030
other 911 researchers I've seen out

767
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:37,330
there have raised and especially there's

768
00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:39,070
a lot of ideological groups within the

769
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:41,980
911 conspiracy movement too that I feel

770
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:44,110
they're trying to blame it on the group

771
00:29:48,419 --> 00:29:47,080
that they hate the most and it's so it's

772
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:48,429
really they're just looking at it from

773
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:50,650
this one side and then you know you look

774
00:29:57,419 --> 00:29:54,870
at that whole Karl Popper a view of

775
00:29:59,130 --> 00:29:57,429
skepticism it's that we have to look for

776
00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:59,140
dis confirmation as well as confirmation

777
00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:00,730
and too many of those people just go out

778
00:30:04,409 --> 00:30:02,380
and search for all the facts that can't

779
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:04,419
confirm what they want to believe rather

780
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:05,860
than trying to find things that dis

781
00:30:11,399 --> 00:30:08,289
confirm it as well and so I think it's

782
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:11,409
important for you know skeptics to take

783
00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:13,270
kind of like both sides of that you know

784
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:15,549
not just make them on yeah of everything

785
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:16,929
you know what you know try to take it a

786
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:19,150
little bit more seriously and when you

787
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:20,620
when you when you look into these things

788
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:21,880
because you might be overlooking

789
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:23,530
something especially with the way that

790
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:26,830
I've seen all this stuff set up with you

791
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:29,380
know the other 9/11 stuff with what I

792
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:31,570
believe you know Judy wood came out with

793
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:33,490
this whole space lasers thing and she

794
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:36,220
immediately started to campaign they

795
00:30:39,419 --> 00:30:38,110
emailed every single physics professor

796
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:39,429
from every single college and I know

797
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:41,260
because three of them that I talked to

798
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:42,490
and I talked to a lot of physics

799
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:44,140
professors because I talk about a lot

800
00:30:48,419 --> 00:30:46,390
more than you know just 911 stuff but

801
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,429
three three of them that know me know I

802
00:30:52,889 --> 00:30:50,320
talk about 911 stuff sent me the Judy

803
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:52,899
wood stuff back in like you know so they

804
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:55,000
were they were masked emailing this this

805
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,850
material out to to the community

806
00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:58,440
to a lot of people and I think that's

807
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:02,100
the disinformation campaign essentially

808
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,690
well all I you know let's just take a

809
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,100
step back there first I can like back to

810
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:10,559
where you you know you first saw the

811
00:31:13,999 --> 00:31:12,539
collapses she said you were in a room of

812
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:14,009
physics students and the physics

813
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:17,700
professor with her and you knew I don't

814
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:19,130
know about everybody else in the room

815
00:31:25,249 --> 00:31:23,490
that because of what you saw that there

816
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,259
had to be some kind of explosives being

817
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:27,600
used yeah

818
00:31:33,619 --> 00:31:31,320
isn't shouldn't that by itself be enough

819
00:31:35,869 --> 00:31:33,629
to make the case there was some kind of

820
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:35,879
conspiracy some kind of controlled

821
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:38,070
demolition or some kind of something

822
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,169
else going on besides the planes in the

823
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:42,360
building why isn't that enough you know

824
00:31:46,369 --> 00:31:44,070
I think it's I think it's interesting

825
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,379
because scientifically if we if you

826
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:48,419
would look at all the variables and all

827
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:49,769
the little things that could have

828
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:51,690
happened you know with with the models

829
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:53,309
and I Steve look forward for the

830
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:57,240
collapse it makes a lot of sense that it

831
00:32:01,369 --> 00:31:58,980
could have collapsed from fire the way

832
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:01,379
it did it could have you know I say they

833
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,090
could have because if it's the if it it

834
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:08,279
could have in a perfect universe where

835
00:32:11,779 --> 00:32:09,570
everything was symmetric and everything

836
00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:11,789
worked out it and the laws of physics

837
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,409
work just right it could have collapsed

838
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,720
just from itself and not from explosives

839
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:17,220
and I think that's the reason that

840
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:18,870
they've gotten away with is because

841
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,279
you're able to kind of have this

842
00:32:25,399 --> 00:32:23,100
scientific level of ambiguity within you

843
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:25,409
know a certain level of research with is

844
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:27,450
there's enough disbelief that people

845
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:30,210
won't look into it further I think

846
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:31,740
that's that's that's the reason they've

847
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:33,690
gotten like so if he could have

848
00:32:39,259 --> 00:32:37,649
collapsed from fire alone then why do

849
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:39,269
you why would you immediately think that

850
00:32:45,019 --> 00:32:42,179
he couldn't have well you can make the

851
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,029
case through random statistics I mean

852
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:46,860
you can make it a case it's conceding

853
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:49,019
Lee unlikely that you know it did the

854
00:32:52,879 --> 00:32:51,090
way you know it did but you could

855
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,889
statistically still make the case and

856
00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:54,299
still argue it you know that's that's

857
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,549
sort of why the but you know the

858
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,559
skeptics still have a way out all right

859
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:00,299
but you if you're saying like there's

860
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:02,190
this faint possibility it could possibly

861
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,129
have collapsed yeah there's the thing I

862
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:07,679
say is is if you already believe if you

863
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:10,440
already believe that fire if you believe

864
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:11,100
that fire

865
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:13,230
could have caused it to collapse the way

866
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:15,780
it did it's not that hard to believe

867
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:18,030
that you know they put in maybe a couple

868
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:20,160
extra you know charges here and there in

869
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:21,809
the building's just to help it fall more

870
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,130
symmetrically and more and more

871
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:25,320
perfectly to get that symmetry you know

872
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:26,910
if you can already believe those models

873
00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:28,950
that could have collapsed from fire it's

874
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:31,020
not that much of an excessively that

875
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:32,460
there were only a couple explosives

876
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,929
inside the buildings to bring him down

877
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,580
does this thing wasn't obviously it

878
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:36,960
wasn't loaded it didn't like light up

879
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:39,179
like a sparkler and there wasn't giant

880
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,679
pools of molten steel there were pools

881
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,600
of molten steel and it the buildings and

882
00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:44,460
even Leslie Robertson one of the World

883
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:46,020
Trade Center engineers reported him and

884
00:33:50,539 --> 00:33:48,690
I have a video clip of him I'm talking

885
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:50,549
about that I don't think he said there

886
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:52,530
were pools of molten steel he said there

887
00:33:56,899 --> 00:33:54,440
was some molten metal dripping down

888
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,909
something that he saw underground when

889
00:34:01,100 --> 00:33:58,640
he was examining the subway I believe

890
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:01,110
yeah there was there was dripping like

891
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:03,179
molten metal dripping rivers trickling

892
00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:06,210
steel and there's no way of knowing if

893
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:08,669
it was steel or not well here's the

894
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,810
thing to also pyro cool I remember

895
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:14,700
reading this about pyro cool is this

896
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:17,070
stuff that mixes with water to make it

897
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:19,470
extra fire quenching and it mixes with

898
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:21,179
water is something like point zero four

899
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,310
percent and the New York Fire Department

900
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:26,700
ordered half a million gallons of that

901
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,639
stuff not enough to make a million

902
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,800
gallons maybe there were two thousand

903
00:34:36,290 --> 00:34:33,720
gallons of the pyro cool mixture and it

904
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,300
mixes at 0.4% which makes about two

905
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:39,060
million gallons I think is what it was

906
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,710
and they they hose down the whole World

907
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:45,780
Trade Center for a month with with like

908
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:47,580
two million gallons of this special fire

909
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,350
quenching liquid and it still wasn't

910
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,540
like too hot so there were some sort of

911
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:53,700
extreme heat source there I kind of

912
00:34:58,930 --> 00:34:55,139
suggest something more than a few

913
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:01,340
okay well that's what I'm saying it's

914
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,210
not that it's not that hard to believe

915
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:05,280
way it's not that hard of an excess to

916
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,750
say that there could have been some a

917
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,880
thermite in that building to bring it

918
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:10,560
down especially when you when you start

919
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,570
going into light well who had the access

920
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:14,280
to the buildings of build who designed

921
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,050
the security systems where the people

922
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,359
involved with all with all that but then

923
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:20,339
stuff and that looks those two things

924
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:23,010
that really seem to mesh that you said

925
00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:24,839
that you know it's quite easy to think

926
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:26,430
there were a few well-placed bits of

927
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:28,049
thermite to bring down the building in a

928
00:35:31,279 --> 00:35:29,700
more symmetrical manner and then he's

929
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:31,289
saying there's this incredible amount of

930
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:34,410
heat that took months of cooling down

931
00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:36,839
afterwards well that's the first

932
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:39,869
evidence do you think this these few

933
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,670
well-placed explosives are gonna take

934
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:44,400
create a huge ball of molten steel it

935
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:46,529
takes months to cool down I mean how how

936
00:35:51,019 --> 00:35:47,849
would that work what's the physics

937
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:51,029
though well what's the source of that

938
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:53,450
molten steel was it wasn't the jet fuel

939
00:35:58,489 --> 00:35:56,729
well there wasn't really any good

940
00:36:00,049 --> 00:35:58,499
evidence of the wad any molten steel

941
00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:00,059
then no one you know you didn't see any

942
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,259
big huge solidified pieces of steel

943
00:36:09,019 --> 00:36:06,839
being carried away on trucks afterwards

944
00:36:10,489 --> 00:36:09,029
there was some pretty big media rates

945
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:10,499
that they carry yeah but they weren't

946
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,940
they weren't steel I've seen those

947
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:14,160
meteorites up close I mean they had one

948
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:15,960
of them in the Memorial Museum for a

949
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:17,579
while and I've seen photographs of the

950
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:18,420
other one and it's just basically

951
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:20,579
concrete and there's bits of rebar

952
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:22,650
sticking out of it which were not melted

953
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,170
at all so that there wasn't molten metal

954
00:36:29,749 --> 00:36:27,599
there isn't really any good evidence as

955
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:29,759
far as I can tell and he could physical

956
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:33,210
evidence of molten metal at all really

957
00:36:37,579 --> 00:36:35,609
certainly not molten steel and the

958
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,589
recollections of people seeing molten

959
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:38,960
metal could be something else

960
00:36:44,539 --> 00:36:41,700
well this they didn't do a lot of

961
00:36:46,459 --> 00:36:44,549
metallurgical analysis they selectively

962
00:36:48,759 --> 00:36:46,469
analyzed the steel a lot of the pictures

963
00:36:50,749 --> 00:36:48,769
in the FEMA report we're you know

964
00:36:51,859 --> 00:36:50,759
hand-picked there and they looked some

965
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:51,869
of those some of that steel looks

966
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,369
suspicious but even the pieces that they

967
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:55,680
gave were very like hand selected the

968
00:36:59,029 --> 00:36:57,180
ones the few that they did give up for

969
00:37:01,219 --> 00:36:59,039
analysis and very few of these pieces

970
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:01,229
have ever undergone real metallurgical

971
00:37:04,549 --> 00:37:03,150
analysis and the few that did the ones I

972
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:04,559
pointed out in Appendix C of the themer

973
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:06,210
report show some pretty interesting

974
00:37:10,549 --> 00:37:08,609
melty and high-temperature corrosion of

975
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:10,559
the steel that still hasn't been

976
00:37:14,569 --> 00:37:12,450
explained by any experiment that I've

977
00:37:17,269 --> 00:37:14,579
seen this there was a study done on that

978
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,279
I remember it was some University I'm

979
00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:19,200
thinking the University of Warwick but

980
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:20,999
that doesn't sound right to me but it's

981
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:24,569
a universe begin to BW and they did the

982
00:37:30,799 --> 00:37:27,630
study on that the this bit of steel and

983
00:37:33,229 --> 00:37:30,809
it looks like it's very very thin like

984
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:33,239
it's being burnt away somehow you know

985
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,349
where it is I'm just saying that for

986
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:37,359
everybody else's benefit and

987
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:39,160
they studied it and looked at the the

988
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:41,249
crystallography of the steel and

989
00:37:45,989 --> 00:37:43,420
examined it carefully and they said yeah

990
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:45,999
it's probably from some kind of chemical

991
00:37:50,099 --> 00:37:48,849
reaction but the part of their results

992
00:37:53,849 --> 00:37:50,109
were they said that it would have taken

993
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:53,859
several days to go through this whatever

994
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,609
processor it was so if if that was

995
00:38:00,749 --> 00:37:58,960
correct if that analysis was correct

996
00:38:02,099 --> 00:38:00,759
then that that would mean that it would

997
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:02,109
have to be something that happened in

998
00:38:08,339 --> 00:38:05,400
the pile and not actually in the towers

999
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:08,349
I mean W are you familiar with that

1000
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:13,900
study at all no I'm not I haven't seen

1001
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:17,339
that one but if you do find it please

1002
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:18,849
yeah

1003
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:21,190
I mean I'm still looking for answers I I

1004
00:38:26,759 --> 00:38:23,640
go back and forth on a lot of this stuff

1005
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,769
from time to time but it's just it just

1006
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:29,200
seems to me that if they have they

1007
00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:30,670
should have had an investigation where

1008
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:32,680
more these people were investigated and

1009
00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:34,569
more of these avenues it seems to me

1010
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:36,220
that that that crime scene was cleaned

1011
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:39,180
up way too fast and in way too much of a

1012
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:42,730
in a sketchy manner of them you know

1013
00:38:47,489 --> 00:38:45,249
getting rid of so much to that steel so

1014
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:47,499
quickly that it's like it's only led to

1015
00:38:51,809 --> 00:38:50,710
more conspiracy theories and thing is

1016
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:51,819
that they weren't really thinking about

1017
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,710
conspiracy theories at the time it's not

1018
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:55,839
like yeah that's all it was let's let's

1019
00:39:00,749 --> 00:38:58,480
clear up the conspiracies there is ahead

1020
00:39:02,249 --> 00:39:00,759
of time it's more like they were let's

1021
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:02,259
try to rescue people who were trapped in

1022
00:39:07,529 --> 00:39:05,440
the rubble and then that's not true at

1023
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:07,539
all because the the the last person

1024
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,380
pulled out of the World Trade Center

1025
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:10,480
live was William Rodriguez and he was

1026
00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:12,220
pulled out the day after and after that

1027
00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:13,869
they stopped finding bodies so that's

1028
00:39:17,789 --> 00:39:15,880
there was no looking it was still

1029
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:17,799
looking for they were still looking for

1030
00:39:22,349 --> 00:39:19,420
life people for a day or two afterwards

1031
00:39:23,849 --> 00:39:22,359
but then after that no it was pretty

1032
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,859
clear right away that there wasn't any

1033
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:25,599
survivors from them from the disastrous

1034
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:27,670
ten days you know certainly within a day

1035
00:39:30,089 --> 00:39:28,930
or two I think it was fairly clear

1036
00:39:32,789 --> 00:39:30,099
because they didn't find anything

1037
00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:32,799
but the priority after that wasn't

1038
00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:35,349
recovering you know live people it's

1039
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:37,900
recovering bodies there's essentially no

1040
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,420
it's not he was bouncing people because

1041
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:42,160
they they actually cleared out World

1042
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:43,900
Trade Center seven first and there was

1043
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,089
no that was evacuated so that theory is

1044
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:48,940
wrong because it was clear that for

1045
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,500
access because he was

1046
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,000
locking the Rose because it felt if fell

1047
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:54,160
on the North roads behind her welfare

1048
00:40:00,570 --> 00:39:58,630
house oh well I'm not sure what you're

1049
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:00,580
suggesting that yeah one of my

1050
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:02,530
interviews I did was with a structural

1051
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,970
engineer who worked at the World Trade

1052
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:06,640
Center site and he wrote a book through

1053
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,550
worker and I where's Cole now but it's

1054
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:11,680
yeah his name is Donald Friedman and you

1055
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:13,750
wrote this book on on 9/11 he worked

1056
00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:16,060
there from September the 12th the day

1057
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:19,120
after and and he he says in his book

1058
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:21,610
very clearly that's in the priority of

1059
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:24,750
everybody who was there you know the the

1060
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,620
firemen and the steel workers and

1061
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:29,440
everybody else was recovering remains

1062
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:32,110
it wasn't clearing he wasn't clearing

1063
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:34,150
things up he was clearing things so that

1064
00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:35,860
they could actually get the remains of

1065
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:38,260
the people there and he talked to

1066
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,180
anybody who worked on this great

1067
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:42,790
services are they so that's a great

1068
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,530
cover story is all I'm saying is that

1069
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:46,000
you know it's a great thing to tell

1070
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:47,950
people it's a grand order and it's how

1071
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:49,600
you think you think he's the one in

1072
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:51,820
charge if you're the one in oh no not

1073
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,620
them but if you're if you're the people

1074
00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:56,940
like the mayor of New York you know

1075
00:41:01,470 --> 00:41:00,070
certain people that would have been in

1076
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:01,480
charge of those types of things and were

1077
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:03,130
in charge of ordering those type those

1078
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:07,900
things it's the perfect excuse this is

1079
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:09,430
something that I've looked into you know

1080
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:11,530
quite a bit World Trade Center seven

1081
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:14,200
very interesting connections that aren't

1082
00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:15,610
talked about there and some of the

1083
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:17,140
research that I've done with the tenants

1084
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:19,630
list and the people that occupied the

1085
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:21,790
majority of those buildings and yeah I

1086
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:22,870
know you've got a lot of stuff about

1087
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:25,720
that actually you know that Donald

1088
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:29,290
Rumsfeld he sound and Dick Cheney said

1089
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:30,990
on the foreign advisory board for

1090
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:33,390
Salomon Smith Barney the bank that on

1091
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:35,590
85% of the floors in that building which

1092
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:37,150
I thought was interesting facts that

1093
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,010
they weren't so closely connected to

1094
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:40,720
that they quit their positions at

1095
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:42,940
Salomon Smith Barney on that board just

1096
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:44,680
prior to taking office in the bush in

1097
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:46,030
Austria I think that what kind of work

1098
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:47,110
both ways there because they would

1099
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:48,460
actually me they would know a lot of

1100
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:50,500
people who would be killed that if they

1101
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:52,630
they you know worked with Solomon Smith

1102
00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:54,430
well not if anyone not if anyone was

1103
00:41:58,290 --> 00:41:55,780
wasn't killed as the buildings were

1104
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:58,300
evacuated right I guess that's getting a

1105
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:00,430
bit into a deeper conspiracy so let me

1106
00:42:03,970 --> 00:42:01,990
just ask you well you have to go soon

1107
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:03,980
but let's let me just ask you like one

1108
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:07,609
closing question here for now how are

1109
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:10,310
your opinions about the 9/11 conspiracy

1110
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:11,840
theories change other things that you

1111
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:15,050
used to believe in about 9/11

1112
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:17,150
conspiracies that you now no longer

1113
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,270
believe in yeah one of the early things

1114
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,119
was that that pod that pod thing and I

1115
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:24,800
found a lot of evidence for you know I

1116
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:26,180
looked into the AWACS and

1117
00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:28,190
remote-controlled plane systems and that

1118
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:30,200
systems planning corporation stuff with

1119
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:32,330
that with that real control plane

1120
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:34,130
technology I did a lot of research into

1121
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:36,290
that and found a lot of stuff about all

1122
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,150
the classified programs at the time that

1123
00:42:42,250 --> 00:42:40,400
were related to that how some of the

1124
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,260
pilots that were allegedly related to

1125
00:42:46,810 --> 00:42:44,240
this might have been the pilots of

1126
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,820
flight 77 actually into the Pentagon

1127
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:48,560
that some of them took parts and drills

1128
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:50,570
of planes going into the Pentagon and

1129
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:51,940
some of these other weird things that

1130
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,480
have been found in the research but yeah

1131
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:58,880
I think that I don't believe the pod

1132
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:00,290
theory anymore I don't think that they

1133
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:02,510
there was a plane switch I think that

1134
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:04,580
that it was much he I think that the

1135
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:06,770
technology I found more more evidence

1136
00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:08,270
that could be eat I mean it would just

1137
00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:10,760
be easier for them to implant it on the

1138
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,340
the Augmented GPS and the auto autopilot

1139
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:15,440
guidance system and a lot of these

1140
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:17,480
people have reported they get locked out

1141
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,130
autopilot comes on and they get locked

1142
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:21,470
out of the controls and that that can is

1143
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:23,720
what I what I think happened is it'd be

1144
00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:25,369
easier to implement that type of system

1145
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:26,750
that it would be implement a drone

1146
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:29,270
switch and a plane switch and then a D

1147
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:30,950
boarding and getting rid of all those

1148
00:43:34,090 --> 00:43:32,810
people that were on board the plane or

1149
00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:34,100
the idea that they went to work for

1150
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:36,140
secret government programs and they that

1151
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:38,690
they faked their deaths on 9/11 - they

1152
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:40,250
changed their identities and and all

1153
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,970
these other you know it complex theories

1154
00:43:47,710 --> 00:43:46,160
that just require it they require too

1155
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:47,720
much complexity you know you but then

1156
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:49,369
you also think that maybe he stole it on

1157
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:51,380
the Smith bummy evacuated the buildings

1158
00:43:58,359 --> 00:43:56,150
before the plane so - well yeah well

1159
00:44:01,859 --> 00:43:58,369
yeah they did that's you know you try to

1160
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:01,869
look for this is this is speculation not

1161
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:04,280
you're confusing speculation on what

1162
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:06,230
they did with the planes with what

1163
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:07,490
actually happened with World Trade

1164
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:09,260
Center seven as far as them evacuating

1165
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:10,970
buildings that's not speculation okay

1166
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:13,190
right yeah I was thinking I guess I was

1167
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:14,690
thinking of the people who died in the

1168
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,450
towers which was another big come

1169
00:44:22,279 --> 00:44:19,920
right Oh way to go this text message

1170
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:22,289
company odigo that supposedly sent text

1171
00:44:25,249 --> 00:44:23,729
messages to certain people within the

1172
00:44:26,479 --> 00:44:25,259
towers that didn't show up to work and

1173
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,489
they were certain interesting people

1174
00:44:30,019 --> 00:44:27,900
that didn't show up to work at the

1175
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,029
towers that day one of them was that guy

1176
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:33,420
L Paul Bremer who went on MSNBC and gave

1177
00:44:36,979 --> 00:44:35,430
us actually the first he's the first

1178
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:36,989
person that finger bin Laden as a

1179
00:44:41,749 --> 00:44:39,569
suspect for the 9/11 attacks and he

1180
00:44:43,999 --> 00:44:41,759
actually worked for Marshall McLennan

1181
00:44:47,749 --> 00:44:44,009
and in the his office was right where

1182
00:44:49,579 --> 00:44:47,759
flight 11 hit North Tower and he's he

1183
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,589
missed work that morning and and give us

1184
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,599
the first pronouncement of the official

1185
00:44:56,499 --> 00:44:53,640
theory and then he later went on to

1186
00:44:58,969 --> 00:44:56,509
become the Iraq occupation governor so

1187
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,979
he's definitely on my list of potential

1188
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,180
suspects is there was reliance

1189
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:03,119
implications you can draw him yeah right

1190
00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:04,710
because I tried to basically look for it

1191
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:06,539
as many connections that you can draw

1192
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,950
like who are the people that involved

1193
00:45:10,969 --> 00:45:09,119
and who got placed in important

1194
00:45:12,259 --> 00:45:10,979
positions of power after 9/11 to do the

1195
00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:12,269
things that 9/11 was supposed to

1196
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,849
supposedly if it was a conspiracy so we

1197
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,680
could go into Iraq if we should look

1198
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:17,880
into those people that were placed in

1199
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,410
charge in Iraq because you know they

1200
00:45:24,289 --> 00:45:21,630
might and it's interesting that he has

1201
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:24,299
that tie to to 9/11 as well do you think

1202
00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:25,859
it was ever like a temptation though

1203
00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:27,630
just to draw too many lines and you're

1204
00:45:30,859 --> 00:45:30,029
just kind of making connections where

1205
00:45:33,259 --> 00:45:30,869
they don't exist

1206
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:33,269
how do you how do you safeguard against

1207
00:45:39,229 --> 00:45:38,130
that if they don't exist and you know

1208
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:39,239
then then they'll be then there's

1209
00:45:43,009 --> 00:45:41,099
nothing to this and and no one will find

1210
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:43,019
but you know the thing is people start

1211
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,910
digging in they start finding more stuff

1212
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:46,920
and you know that's where the research

1213
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:48,329
goes that's where it's all about

1214
00:45:52,819 --> 00:45:50,819
research is where do the lines go and

1215
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,829
where do you where do they lead you

1216
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:55,079
actually you know are you chasing a red

1217
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,609
herring here are you actually following

1218
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:58,380
something that that's new and legit

1219
00:46:01,999 --> 00:45:59,579
where it's going to lead you somewhere

1220
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:02,009
and these you know they're things and

1221
00:46:06,289 --> 00:46:04,440
and that's that's a decision that

1222
00:46:08,959 --> 00:46:06,299
everyone has to take as a researcher and

1223
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:08,969
as a skeptic and I say you know as a

1224
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:11,130
scientist I believe you know do you

1225
00:46:18,229 --> 00:46:13,650
think the 9/11 research is going to go

1226
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:18,239
somewhere ultimately I don't I know the

1227
00:46:21,289 --> 00:46:19,950
thing was about 9/11 right it's the

1228
00:46:23,539 --> 00:46:21,299
people that pulled it off understood

1229
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,549
that the the the most important and

1230
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:25,920
richest and most important economic

1231
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:29,930
factors oil industry and the military in

1232
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,170
military

1233
00:46:34,549 --> 00:46:33,540
complex are going to be behind you and

1234
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:34,559
they're going to support you in there

1235
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,940
they're never going to push for a new

1236
00:46:39,799 --> 00:46:38,160
investigation they're both benefit and

1237
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:39,809
they all benefit from 911 like all the

1238
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,369
top commodities all the biggest

1239
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,500
moneymakers the oil you know the oil and

1240
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:45,240
military industry you've got them in

1241
00:46:49,339 --> 00:46:47,250
your pocket man that does it doesn't it

1242
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:49,349
doesn't matter like no matter how many

1243
00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:51,450
you know architects and engineers signed

1244
00:46:54,799 --> 00:46:53,640
on to a 9/11 truth these people are

1245
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:54,809
never going to have an investigation

1246
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,190
because at the end of the day it's all

1247
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:57,359
about the money it's all about the

1248
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,740
Benjamins and they're raking in the

1249
00:47:03,289 --> 00:47:00,839
dough right now so I don't think that

1250
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:03,299
they're too concerned it's only gonna

1251
00:47:06,799 --> 00:47:05,099
have you know do you think research is

1252
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,809
important for people out there on the

1253
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,119
Internet to kind of want to you know dig

1254
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,700
in and learn more but I don't think it's

1255
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:14,160
ever going to go mainstream because the

1256
00:47:17,539 --> 00:47:15,930
media is too controlled and contrived

1257
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:17,549
and I don't think that it's ever going

1258
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:19,770
to have an investigation because the

1259
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:21,750
people that benefited from it have so

1260
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:22,940
much power

1261
00:47:29,059 --> 00:47:25,380
why isn't it possible though to make a

1262
00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:29,069
compelling case for the 9/11 conspiracy

1263
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:31,349
theory I mean you said like the what do

1264
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,380
you think the next thing yeah if there's

1265
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:36,960
a you know a possibility it could have

1266
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:39,000
collapsed but isn't this some way where

1267
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,599
you can

1268
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:41,520
you're obviously convinced a lot of

1269
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,520
other people are convinced so you know

1270
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:46,500
why why are you convinced by this

1271
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:50,460
evidence is it just that you are I don't

1272
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:51,930
know your brain works in a different way

1273
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,150
that the evidence is more accessible to

1274
00:48:00,520 --> 00:47:57,000
you why can't you make a case for other

1275
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:00,530
scientists to believe what you believe I

1276
00:48:05,299 --> 00:48:03,210
think I have me a pretty good case with

1277
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:05,309
the stuff that's on my website and you

1278
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:07,140
know on that I on in some of the

1279
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:08,730
documentaries that I put together for

1280
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,099
9/11 I pretty well stated the case so

1281
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:13,680
the best case that I could stay and if

1282
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:15,450
that changes and it comes along you know

1283
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:17,190
every maybe every three years I'll make

1284
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:19,470
a new video with the better case maybe

1285
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:19,859
better

1286
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,990
you know trying to dig into who could

1287
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:23,880
have you know actually been behind at

1288
00:48:28,579 --> 00:48:25,650
naming suspects and then looking for

1289
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:28,589
again those ties that link them to those

1290
00:48:33,289 --> 00:48:31,710
things and I think I've made you know an

1291
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:33,299
interesting case and I and I hope that

1292
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:35,099
people expand upon it and do something

1293
00:48:38,839 --> 00:48:36,630
with it but I don't have high hopes for

1294
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:38,849
that and I don't think it's as important

1295
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,140
as you know some of this other stuff

1296
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:41,760
that I'm pursuing now which is why I've

1297
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,710
really learned I don't do a lot of the

1298
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,640
9/11 research

1299
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,140
anymore because I don't see it as a

1300
00:48:49,549 --> 00:48:48,359
fruitful Avenue it's just like so what

1301
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:49,559
people are going to know that we did

1302
00:48:53,450 --> 00:48:51,960
this for oil and for you know global

1303
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:53,460
hegemony and control in the Middle East

1304
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,730
and you know Afghan minerals and Afghan

1305
00:49:00,319 --> 00:48:58,440
opium and to control the drug markets

1306
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:00,329
and and all this other these other

1307
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:05,250
reasons but they're not gonna they're

1308
00:49:09,259 --> 00:49:06,990
not gonna you know they're not gonna

1309
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:09,269
really like we're not going to have free

1310
00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:10,200
energy we're not going to have

1311
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:12,150
anti-gravity bid off this planet I think

1312
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:14,670
those two things are more important in

1313
00:49:19,099 --> 00:49:17,220
it if they exists and to look into the

1314
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:19,109
technology stuff it has been much more

1315
00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:20,700
fruitful and much more interesting for

1316
00:49:26,029 --> 00:49:23,309
me as far as that is to all this warp

1317
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,039
drive stuff and and debating the Nimitz

1318
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:28,380
and counters and TTS a coming out with

1319
00:49:32,269 --> 00:49:30,329
this what I think is a whole bunch of

1320
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:32,279
Pentagon insiders you know pulling the

1321
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:35,430
wool over people's eyes but I don't know

1322
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:37,380
that's just where I stand on this stuff

1323
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:40,049
and and and I know we disagree on on

1324
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,640
certain things and we have a different

1325
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:44,460
approach but again we're just people

1326
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,260
looking for the truth I'm just I really

1327
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,240
I really am just someone looking for the

1328
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:49,920
truth and trying to understand more and

1329
00:49:54,289 --> 00:49:52,380
it makes him a lot more sense to me

1330
00:49:57,529 --> 00:49:54,299
that's that 9/11 you know was a

1331
00:49:59,480 --> 00:49:57,539
conspiracy and according to the way that

1332
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:59,490
I've laid it out it makes more sense to

1333
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:02,099
me and I think the reasons for it and

1334
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:04,670
the reasons behind why it's not come out

1335
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:09,950
make make sense to me but again I

1336
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:12,420
appreciate the work you do and some of

1337
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:13,710
the stuff that you do although I don't

1338
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:15,690
agree with everything it's good training

1339
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:18,210
ground because there are a lot of these

1340
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:20,099
bad arguments and these weaker arguments

1341
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,160
out there and and you know it's the I

1342
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,380
feel like you people like you have

1343
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:27,960
helped me sharpen the knife as far as

1344
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:29,819
work you know I don't rely realize you

1345
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:31,710
know going after thermite and going

1346
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:33,210
after explosives at the World Trade

1347
00:50:36,259 --> 00:50:34,710
Center is not and the physics the

1348
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:36,269
arguments alone aren't really going to

1349
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:38,190
get us anywhere and that's why I started

1350
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:39,930
started really looking into the tenants

1351
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:41,220
and the connections you know were there

1352
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,140
any you know were there are any such

1353
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:44,880
connections and the oh yes in fact there

1354
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,460
were you know you look at the Rumsfeld

1355
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:50,640
resume and you know him and him and Dick

1356
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:53,819
Cheney they both weren't engaged in this

1357
00:50:57,309 --> 00:50:56,250
continuity of government program which I

1358
00:50:59,559 --> 00:50:57,319
think was a core

1359
00:51:01,719 --> 00:50:59,569
aspect I think that's what we're 9/11

1360
00:51:03,729 --> 00:51:01,729
was planned and thought out it's

1361
00:51:05,469 --> 00:51:03,739
basically like a whole that's a whole

1362
00:51:07,059 --> 00:51:05,479
section of the government it's a think

1363
00:51:08,499 --> 00:51:07,069
tank that they basically get all these

1364
00:51:10,479 --> 00:51:08,509
military people together and they come

1365
00:51:12,999 --> 00:51:10,489
up with the most insane doomsday

1366
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:13,009
scenarios imaginable and then they dream

1367
00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:14,599
up how the government would react you

1368
00:51:17,859 --> 00:51:16,219
know to you know multiple multiple in

1369
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:17,869
airplane hijackings was one of the

1370
00:51:21,489 --> 00:51:19,670
scenarios I'm sure the docs and the

1371
00:51:23,709 --> 00:51:21,499
airline hijackings that had happened

1372
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:23,719
where five air Airlines were hijacked in

1373
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:26,630
1979 and flown to Jordan on September

1374
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:29,930
11th mind you so they had to have known

1375
00:51:32,979 --> 00:51:31,369
about these sort of things and had to

1376
00:51:34,689 --> 00:51:32,989
have had these think tanks that is

1377
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:34,699
evidences they have these think tanks

1378
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:36,410
and there's evidence that Dick Cheney

1379
00:51:40,449 --> 00:51:38,719
and Donald Rumsfeld took part and a lot

1380
00:51:42,219 --> 00:51:40,459
of those think tanks to basically dream

1381
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:42,229
up doomsday scenarios and come up with

1382
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:44,209
you know counter counter planning and

1383
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,190
that sort of thing and I think that

1384
00:51:50,049 --> 00:51:47,599
that's sort of like where where a lot of

1385
00:51:53,259 --> 00:51:50,059
these if the 911 was a conspiracy that's

1386
00:51:55,479 --> 00:51:53,269
where it was birthed out on it's

1387
00:51:57,339 --> 00:51:55,489
basically like you're basically giving

1388
00:52:00,759 --> 00:51:57,349
them this opportunity to collect all the

1389
00:52:04,509 --> 00:52:00,769
intelligence on on something and then be

1390
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:04,519
able to you know they had all all the

1391
00:52:08,229 --> 00:52:06,529
intelligence they needed to do 9/11 and

1392
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,239
get away with it with that kind of

1393
00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:11,119
access to a program like yeah I think I

1394
00:52:14,229 --> 00:52:12,680
think it's interesting a lot of 9/11

1395
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,239
people in the management community do

1396
00:52:19,509 --> 00:52:16,640
actually kind of end up not focusing so

1397
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:19,519
much on the controlled demolition and

1398
00:52:23,289 --> 00:52:21,170
whatnot and they do move on to like

1399
00:52:26,609 --> 00:52:23,299
things like like like people and the

1400
00:52:28,839 --> 00:52:26,619
politics and things like that instead

1401
00:52:30,489 --> 00:52:28,849
which in a way is is somewhat less

1402
00:52:32,709 --> 00:52:30,499
tangible even though you can like you

1403
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:32,719
name names and whatnot but you don't

1404
00:52:36,789 --> 00:52:34,670
know you know you can't do physics you

1405
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:36,799
can't do equations with with people so

1406
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:38,209
it's just in some ways it's less

1407
00:52:41,259 --> 00:52:39,529
tangible than some waste is more

1408
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:41,269
accessible because you got people's

1409
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:42,920
names and dates and places and things

1410
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:46,640
like that yeah anyway I know you you

1411
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:48,680
probably have to go and we are we have

1412
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:50,420
gone over an hour now so Oh

1413
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:52,690
if you've all want to learn more about

1414
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:55,130
what you've been saying like should they

1415
00:53:00,579 --> 00:52:58,729
go to alien scientist comm hat yes I'm

1416
00:53:02,439 --> 00:53:00,589
going to be updating that alien

1417
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:02,449
scientist come they can also follow me

1418
00:53:09,009 --> 00:53:06,170
on Facebook and Twitter and we also have

1419
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:09,019
that Falcons based org I'm putting

1420
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:10,130
together

1421
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:13,870
for the program we're Falcons space or

1422
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:15,830
yeah do you wanna say something about

1423
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:17,450
that real quick like what so what Falcon

1424
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:20,150
space is about and also how public

1425
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:23,270
others calm oh yeah that was my first

1426
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:25,310
version of why I launched hubber

1427
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:28,970
brothers back in 1998 as sort of the

1428
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:31,160
response to 20 TSA came out and said

1429
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:32,000
that they were going to build a

1430
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:34,010
spacecraft I and they were talking about

1431
00:53:37,060 --> 00:53:35,870
metamaterials they said well many

1432
00:53:38,140 --> 00:53:37,070
materials aren't even scratching the

1433
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,150
surface you're not talking about quasi

1434
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:40,880
crystals or NLOS non non linear optical

1435
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:42,910
materials or any of these other like

1436
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:45,730
they're not talking about Clara tongs or

1437
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:48,290
excitons or any of these you know real

1438
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:50,110
condensed matter physics technologies

1439
00:53:57,820 --> 00:53:52,730
which are the real rage right now in the

1440
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:57,830
community but anyways I created the

1441
00:54:00,970 --> 00:53:59,450
hover brothers first to kind of compete

1442
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:00,980
with them and they said they're gonna

1443
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,140
create a spacecraft the data I'm like

1444
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:04,880
saying we I have way more science and

1445
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:06,200
way more stuff than you guys have been

1446
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:09,110
doing this you know way longer you know

1447
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:12,050
I know I read all the papers of all your

1448
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:14,150
scientists and more and that's kind of

1449
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:15,530
like when I was coming out with with

1450
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:17,180
that and then Falcon Space I teamed up

1451
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:19,430
recently with these other guys who have

1452
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:20,990
done a ton of research and the by Feld

1453
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:22,820
Brown effect already and built a lot of

1454
00:54:27,220 --> 00:54:24,170
these thrusters and builds a lot of

1455
00:54:28,510 --> 00:54:27,230
these a lot of these gizmos from other

1456
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:28,520
people's on the internet you know

1457
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:30,170
copying other people's videos and they

1458
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:31,640
tried a lot of stuff out already and

1459
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:33,470
they sort of linked out they reached out

1460
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:35,210
to me and I linked up with them and

1461
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:36,440
we're gonna be doing a lot more

1462
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:38,330
experiments hopefully this coming year

1463
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:41,630
to try to you know figure out what it

1464
00:54:46,810 --> 00:54:46,130
works and what doesn't sounds

1465
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:46,820
interesting

1466
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:49,010
all right Jamie well I want to thank you

1467
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:52,130
very much for coming on and sharing all

1468
00:54:56,770 --> 00:54:54,470
this stuff with me and a lot of material

1469
00:54:59,740 --> 00:54:56,780
here so maybe we can we can do it again

1470
00:55:02,170 --> 00:54:59,750
sometime yeah definitely I enjoyed

1471
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:02,180
coming on and and thank you and uh and

1472
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:04,190
keep up the great work with what you're

1473
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:05,660
doing on the nimitz encounters and

1474
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:09,010
talking to those people because you

1475
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,930
enjoying the show all right thanks for

1476
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:14,460
Jeremy's here thanks